A revisit to an earlier post!
This particular discussion has been on my list (yes, I have a list of bloggable items on my phone!) to blog about for a while now, but a conversation with Lil Man prompted me to write this today.
I have to admit that I’m a sucker for Bollywood films, and some of the Indian serials that come on the Asian channels – cringe, I know, but hey, I’m Indian, what can I do?! And the kids like to join me in watching them some times. Today there was an engagement on one of these shows, and the couple in question hadn’t been seen together before yesterday. Lil Man hadn’t seen yesterday’s episode, and he was quite confused. I could see his mind working, the cogs whirring inside…
” But mummy, how is there a wedding? We haven’t even seen these people before!” So I tried to explain, simply how sometimes people meet themselves, and fall in love and then you have marriages where people have their life partners chosen for them by their family.
He was gobsmacked! “That’s not fair!” Why I asked why it wasn’t fair, he couldn’t get his words out clearly. And almost gave up, but I could hear what he wanted to say! How can you be made to marry someone you don’t even know? In his short life on this earth, all those adults closest to him, his parents, and uncles have all married people of their own choice, love marriages. An arranged marriage is a total alien concept to him!
And in many ways, nowadays a traditional arranged marriage is pretty alien to most of us westernised Asians. The concept has changed now to how it used to be.
In days of old, marriages were arranged when children were just that. Children. I know, in our Punjabi culture, going back a a few generations, girls as young as 6-7 were promised to a boy. And the marriage ceremony took place too. But don’t worry, they weren’t sent to start marital duties straight away! They then went back home, after the ceremony, and on hitting puberty, and becoming a woman, they then joined their husbands.
There are certain ceremonies that stem from those days that we still carry on using now. One is that when we take the 4 rounds around our holy book, The Guru Granth Sahib,the bride is led by her maternal uncles and brothers. Originally, the uncle, Mamji, would actually carry the girl in his arms, because she was so young. Another is that after the marriage ceremony, the bride goes back home for a few days, or couple of weeks, then returns to her in laws, her Muklava. This is reminiscent of then the child bride stayed at home until she was ready to take on marital duties.
Slowly the age bracket for getting married changed, and a bride was no longer a child bride, but still she had not much say in who she married. Some marriages were such that the couple met on the wedding day, as it had been arranged by two families many years previous. There were even cases, when the sons of the families were sent abroad to find their fortunes,and due to visa requirements, they couldn’t return, so weddings were even conducted between girls and a turban… Seriously! She would take the sacred laps holing a turban, and a photo of her intended!
This then morphed into introductions. Two adults were introduced, two like minded individuals, and similar families, matched by a match maker, a bacholan, and they were expected to make a decision based on this one meeting, as to whether they were happy to spend the rest of their lives with that person.
And now, it still happens, but the introductions take longer, there is almost a dating feel to it all except you didn’t meet in a club, or the pub, or at work, and the guy/girl,you are dating already has the approval of your parents. However, go above 3-4 meetings then it’s pretty much assumed you will be getting hitched!
Then there is the addition of the matrimonial websites too! Your online matchmaker! There has been a lot of success in them too. Even though some of the younger generations use it as more of a dating/link up/Tinder style system!
Love marriages, in contrast, are just that, based on love that you find before committing to one another. Hubby Dearest and I met at university, and the feelings we had for each other were so strong, we knew we wanted to spend forever together. We fell in love. We were just lucky that we hailed from the same backgrounds, so that wasn’t an obstacle we had to overcome.
In other similar situations, you get that old chestnut, you can’t help who you fall in love with, and it’s true. Your heart doesn’t ask lots of probing questions before giving itself to someone. I’ve had it in my own family. We have mixed caste/race marriages, and luckily, they are all going strong. True some had rocky starts, because of others perceptions of the ‘wrong’ partner, but love held strong.
Love is key to being together, but you have to have other aspects of your life, and thinking in sync too, for marriage to be a success. The divorce rates for love marriages are so much higher than those for arranged marriages. Granted, there were, and are many women stuck in arranged marriages, from the older generations, who in this day and age would have been able to walk away from it, but it wasn’t the done thing. They came from that generation, ‘if something’s broke we try to fix it, not like today, when you chuck it away and get another’. But with many love marriages, couples have got carried away with the emotions, and once married, especially within Indian families, the responsibilities of being a bride within a family, not just in a couple, can put immense pressure on a relationship.
Nowadays most couples do meet themselves, partners are chosen, and they are older, girls are more independant, career women, who don’t expect the ‘daughter-in-law’ tag, alongside the wife one, to carry such importance. But, you know what, it does. In an Indian family, a daughter-in-law has many responsibilities, and they can be taken care of, living within an extended family, or with the couple living apart, as long as everyone’s expectations are laid out in the open from the beginning.
I’ve heard it countless times, young newly wed brides, commenting on living with their in-laws, and how they can’t wait to get their own place and space. This is because we have grown up within a Western environment, and our expectations are somewhat confused. East/West mix. We want the best of both worlds. And you can do it. But it takes time.
My own parents had an arranged marriage, as did my in laws, and most Indians in their generation too. They have so much love in their marriage, a love that developed after marriage, not before. My mum and pops kind of knew of each other before marriage. They lived in the same area in Kenya, and it was agreed that their families should link up via their marriage. It wasn’t easy by any means. My mums family was pretty educated, my pops was educated but not many of the girls in the family were. But mum still mixed in with them, and did what was necessary, to create a happy home. They are alone now, at home, I’m married in my own home, and my brother is married and settled in Finland, but they are happy.
They always said that for my brother and I, it was our choice. If we wanted an arranged marriage, then fine, but if it was to be love, then fine too. After all we were choosing our life partner. It’s only right that we choose the right person to spend the rest of our lives with. And we’ve done it too. Chosen love over anything else, but we knew there were family expectations, which we have tried hard to fulfil. We’ve lived with the family, provided the heirs, and now are in our own home, but still we keep our link with the family. It’s important.
So you know, I don’t know which is better, to be honest. I’ve seen success and failure in both. But the key, I think is respect for each other. And each other’s families. Compromise is important, especially with Indian marriages. But for those girls out there, never lose yourself. Sometimes we have to change a little, to make things work. It seems to be expected, in our culture. But don’t change so much that you can’t recognise the woman you once were.
Going back to Lil Man, I said to Hubby Dearest, I think that he will definitely be one who needs a girlfriend first, arranged marriages are soooo not it for him!!
Ritu
Aug 14, 2018 @ 12:50:06
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Neha Sharma
Aug 14, 2018 @ 05:38:35
Loved the post, Ritu. I am sure your Lil man is gonna bring home a girlfriend to meet you pretty soon. I will be waiting for that post 😀
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Ritu
Aug 14, 2018 @ 09:08:31
I’m constantly teasing him!!! 😆
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Neha Sharma
Aug 14, 2018 @ 09:30:59
Haha that is so cute 😀
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thesoultalker
Jun 25, 2017 @ 08:34:55
Hi! I love your blog, especially this post. I am so excited to keep reading through your post and keep an eye out for new ones. And since i feel that both of us share similar thoughts to an extend, lets discuss it all in detail someday.
Go through my blog up till then : new attempt : https://wordpress.com/posts/thesoultalk.wordpress.com
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Ritu
Jun 25, 2017 @ 09:19:23
Thanks 🙂
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wordy_anjali
May 19, 2017 @ 14:49:35
Great I was always confused with it
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Ritu
May 19, 2017 @ 16:02:44
Thank you for reading!
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Tikeetha T
Feb 23, 2017 @ 15:11:36
I actually have Indian friends who I went to high school with who fell in love and are happily married to this day. However, I met friends in college who had arranged marriages and their marriage seemed to work as well. Interesting. I definitely think if it is arranged it may last longer because there are no emotions. You learn to love the person you’re married too. Great post.
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Ritu
Feb 23, 2017 @ 17:05:41
So true. They can both work but both need effort!
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Fourth Generation Farmgirl
Feb 22, 2017 @ 23:00:04
This is really interesting. I think there is probably some wisdom in arranged marriages, and they can even turn out to be love matches in the end. But, of course, choice is nice. 🙂
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 23:06:32
That’s why I think the modern day way of doing it is good!
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Marje @ Kyrosmagica
Feb 22, 2017 @ 19:51:14
Fascinating subject Ritu, interesting to read your take on it, and Lil Man’s reaction!
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 20:38:58
Thanks Marje. Sometimes it’s the kids questions that inspired my posts! 🙂
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Marje @ Kyrosmagica
Feb 23, 2017 @ 08:52:35
Yes, they certainly do. 🙂
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willowdot21
Feb 22, 2017 @ 17:55:04
Oh! That really was so very interesting Sis, I really liked reading it all😊💖
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 18:03:13
Thanks sis. I reposted one on Dowry too .. you might enjoy that too! Xxx
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willowdot21
Feb 22, 2017 @ 18:51:27
I find it all very interesting, 💗
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 19:01:23
😙😙😙
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Jennie
Feb 22, 2017 @ 17:35:51
Great post, Ritu.
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 17:52:17
Thank you Jennie x
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Jennie
Feb 22, 2017 @ 18:35:28
You’re welcome. 🙂
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syl65
Feb 22, 2017 @ 16:59:06
Of course I am another westerner who’s heard of arranged marriages and the negative side, your view is refreshing Sister. I believe when two find that heart transforming love that they know this is the person I want to be with for life, then how they meet becomes secondary. Thank you for sharing this from your blog list! ❤😁
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 17:05:06
You’re welcome dear Brother!!! I like to try and enlighten others!
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syl65
Feb 22, 2017 @ 17:21:11
Enlightened here! 😊
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Jess Witkins
Feb 22, 2017 @ 15:05:34
Hey! We meet again! First, through the Big Up Your Blog social and now from Eli’s 6words post! I’m with you on the chocolate! 🍫
This was an interesting read and I appreciate your perspective on it because it’s too easy for us westerners to criticize something we are not use to and don’t understand, but as you’ve laid it out it demonstrates that the tradition has evolved over time and there are reasons why a couple could choose either pathway. I just finished reading Modern Romance by Aziz Ansari, which studies relationships through the eyes of sociologists, anthropologists, and economists. I found the generational ideals of love to be the most fascinating. It’s how we look at a marriage. Is it a partnership? Is it finding our soulmate? The expectations are varied.
Thank you for sharing this. I really enjoyed learning more about its history and the ceremonies that occur.
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 17:03:21
Hi Jess!
I’m so glad you enjoyed this post!
I try to use the blog as a platform for opening the forum to topics like this sometimes as I think it’s important that everyone can ask questions without being accused of racism or some such thing!
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vanbytheriver
Feb 22, 2017 @ 14:09:51
So interesting. We may balk at the idea of “arranged”, but truth be told, my own mother was more interested in my marrying my husband than I was, especially at first. She saw something that I only discovered later. It worked out.
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2017 @ 17:00:36
See it does work!!!
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lbeth1950
Jul 19, 2015 @ 22:35:29
How did you meet and court?
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Ritu
Jul 19, 2015 @ 22:44:31
My hubby and I actually met at university. We fell for easpchnother, but there was the slight thing that I was 2 years above him, I.e. Older… But hey, age ain’t nothing but a number and we were lucky our backgrounds and religion were the same, so once our parents were informed, our courting, which started out secretively at university, was then in the open, and we were engaged for a good couple of years before setting a date! The wedding was a full on traditional Sikh wedding too!
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lbeth1950
Jul 19, 2015 @ 23:12:22
That sounds lovely, Ritu
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Ritu
Jul 19, 2015 @ 23:21:50
Tganks Linda! So we’ve managed 18 years,together, and celebrate 14 years marriage in November! 😊
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edwinasepisodes
Feb 22, 2015 @ 20:41:49
I was interested to hear your point of view on this subject as we hear so much about arranged marriages, and most of it is not good! It is lovely that both your parents, and Hubby Dearest’s parents are still together with their arranged marriages. By the same token you and your hubby have proved that choosing a love marriage also works.
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2015 @ 20:47:10
That’s just it, good and bad for both I think, but isn’t there a flip side to everything? 😊
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edwinasepisodes
Feb 22, 2015 @ 20:49:25
Yes. so it is nice to hear how they can work for a change!
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thebantamblogger
Feb 22, 2015 @ 09:55:22
This is so interesting! Thank you for sharing. It is also so lovely to hear how love still grew for your mum and dad xx
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2015 @ 11:30:17
Thanks Dee, it’s a topic that I always wanted to write about, And I have a few others that link with it, which i hope to cover soon like dowry,and marrying to get abroad!
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A Muslim Latina
Feb 22, 2015 @ 00:49:11
This brings so much memories of my husband and his family.. Since I’m not in their culture it is difficult.. Even though the Hispanic culture is similar I wasn’t brought up by culture but I was taught my culture. We lived for one year with his family and so many problem arose we were going to move if it wasn’t for his job promotion and moving back to la…
Now unfortunately his family doesn’t try to continue the relationships that I thought I had with them..
I don’t agree with arranged marriages nor does hubby but we do know that some are happy marriages but most that we met there has been abuse…
Only God knows what is right for the person…
Sorry u blabbed on this one… I guess I haven’t finished resolving those emotions… Lol
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2015 @ 07:45:45
No, no! Its great to hear others perspectives too!! ☺
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A Muslim Latina
Feb 22, 2015 @ 16:01:16
I’m so sorry!! I meant I babbled not you!! I hate this damn phone!! So so sorry!!’
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2015 @ 16:04:34
Ha ha!! Don’t sweat it!! 😁
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sunflower
Feb 22, 2015 @ 00:09:01
Haha! Have you read my post on my arranged marriage? Loved this post!
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2015 @ 00:09:58
Thank you! Can you send me the link0? I’m not sure, but would love to read it!
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sunflower
Feb 22, 2015 @ 00:15:03
I think you did but I’m on mobile now, tomorrow. Or you can go to my blog, you’ll find it straight away.
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Ritu
Feb 22, 2015 @ 00:17:43
I just went and had a schmooze a,d yes, I did read it, it was a good piece!! Love learning about the similarities and differences of different cultures!!
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mitchteemley
Feb 21, 2015 @ 23:42:51
I am, of course, aware of arranged marriages, but being a westerner, have only heard about them. I enjoyed reading your personal thoughts on the subject, and about how you met Hubby Dearest. ;>) http://mitchteemley.com/2014/09/15/confession-im-in-love-with-another-woman/
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Ritu
Feb 21, 2015 @ 23:51:46
Thank you!
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Ritu
Feb 21, 2015 @ 23:53:33
Live the post, btw!
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kbailey374
Feb 21, 2015 @ 23:25:54
Very interesting! 🙂
I bet the looks on your little man’s face were precious!
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Ritu
Feb 21, 2015 @ 23:51:14
Totally! Kids have such a simplistic view of life, huh!
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